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Was Brigham Young a true prophet? June 12, 2007

Posted by tired of lies in : Prophets , 3 comments

What I find interesting is that many LDS members say they have a testimony that Joseph Smith was a true prophet and that TSCC is the true church of God.

The interesting part of this, is that this testimony is of Joseph Smith. Why aren’t members asked if they have a testimony for Brigham Young? How do they know their denomination of Mormonism is the correct one?

Mormons love to beat up Christians because of all their different denominations. But, few recognize the different factions within Mormonism itself.

The story of Joseph Smith includes the story of a street corner in Palmyra called “confusion corner”. This is a street corner which has a different church on each corner of the street. This apparently reinforces of how Joseph could have been confused and led him to his quest to find out which church was correct.

Well, fast forward to today… In Independece, MO we find the infamous Temple Lot. There at the Temple Lot any visitor can see that there are several factions of mormonism which have a presence there, all claiming to be the true church of God.

After Joseph Smith’s death, there apparently was confusion and disagreement as to who was God’s next appointed prophet. To this day, there is no agreement on this matter.

This confusion created several factions which include:
1. COJCOLDS (Brigham Young)
2. The Church of Jesus Christ (William Bickerton)
3. Rigdonites (Sidney Rigdon)
4. The Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Granville Hedrick)
5. The Community of Christ (RLDS) (Joseph Smith III)
6. COJCOLDS (James Strange)
7. Then the offshoot from the B.Young COJCOLDS, FLDS – made famous by Warren Jeffs.

My question to all LDS believers is this – If you have a testimony that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and “know” that the church you currently attend is true, shouldn’t the real question be if Brigham Young is a true prophet of God? or Warren Jeffs? Or Joseph Smith III, or Sidney Rigdon? Or Granville Hendrick?

How do you know that your denomination of Mormon faith is the correct one?

For me, the only constant in this entire conversation is the Bible. It has proven to be a consitant voice in an inconsistant, ever-changing world of circling debate. Only the Bible has more difinitive corroborative resources than any other book on Earth.

I choose to believe in the Bible. I choose to believe in Jesus. I believe that he rose from the grave and validated his life and testimony as described in the New Testament. I believe that He was who he said He was.

Until any other resource (LDS or other) should provide the validity, believablity, and proof that the life of Jesus or the Bible has, I will only believe in the Bible – denominations aside.

Interview at the MTC July 11, 2006

Posted by tired of lies in : Podcast , 3 comments

Another great podcast from Eric Hoffman over at OneLivingTruth.com. In this episode he interviews two missionary teachers at the Missionary Training Center. It lends great insight into how Mormons think, what they are taught, and how their views simply don’t mix with Christian views.

Great work, Eric! Keep chipping away at the crack and eventually the dam will fail. God’s truth will penetrate, spread and flood the land with His grace.

Update on this blog

Posted by tired of lies in : Uncategorized , 1 comment so far

I just wanted to update the status of this blog.  After zealously posting my first post below over a month ago, I realized that a lot of passion came out in my writing.  I could tell that my emotions were getting the best of me and I feel I was speaking from passion rather than from a calm, understanding heart.

I don’t think there is anything wrong with passion.  For without passion, then we are all just left with a muted interpretation of real feelings.  But, I do also understand that misdirected passion can lead you off the path that you intended very quickly.

So, to gain a bit of perspective, and to properly understand the hearts and minds of the LDS faithful, I have been attending investigator classes (Institute) at the local ward.  I’ll wait until the investigator series is over prior to posting comments about these classes.  But, I will say that I am totally shocked at the whitewashing that goes on in these classes.  Many of the church doctrines that many outsiders would find unsettling either have a real nice spin to it, or never mentioned at all.

I continue to pray for each person I come in contact with here.  And I realize my obligation as a Christian to speak the truth of Christ.  I pray that the Lord continues to educate me on His will, and His Passion.  I pray that Lord strengthens my mind, softens my heart, and provides me the right words to say so that His true desire be known to all involved at these classes.

Church of Jesus Christ, or Church of Man? May 31, 2006

Posted by tired of lies in : Doctrine , 1 comment so far

I’ve heard many times how the LDS want to be considered Christian. Over and over again, you will hear the same argument “Jesus Christ is in the very name of our church. How can we not be Christians?” I actually heard this a few months ago when a church elder was interviewed by Matt Lauer on NBC’s today show. And, several official church representatives have used this same argument, including Gordon Hinckley himself.

This argument is paper thin. Yes, the name of Jesus Christ is in the name of the church, but that’s about it. Over and over again, the church proves that it’s more praised person is Joseph Smith and it’s prophets.

A simple Google search reveal true intention…
Hail to the Prophet
Praise to the man

And this message from the church’s First Presidency spells it out very clearly. Ezra Taft Benson tells us…

“Here then is the grand key—Follow the prophet—and here are fourteen
fundamentals in following the prophet, the President of The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints…”

First: The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
Second: The living prophet is more vital to us than the Standard Works.
Third: The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
Fourth: The prophet will never lead the Church astray.
Fifth: The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or diplomas to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
Sixth: The prophet does not have to say “Thus saith the Lord” to give us scripture.
Seventh: The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
Eighth: The Prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
Ninth: The prophet can receive revelation on any matter—temporal or spiritual.
Tenth: The prophet may well advise on civic matters.
Eleventh: The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
Twelfth: The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
Thirteenth: The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—The
highest quorum in the Church.
Fourteenth: The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

These statements by Benson are unbelievable to Christians. These all go against the very fundamental core of Christianity. We are implored to follow Christ, and not anyone else. Jesus told us that he is The Way, the TRUTH, and the Life. He tells us of His mercy. And Kolage expands on how the Bible instructs us who to give our praise to – God, Almighty.

“Fundamental” #2 and #14 are a huge problem here. #2 basically says, “Don’t believe your scriptures, believe what I tell you. And when your scriptures and I disagree, believe me first.” How is this possible? What is the standard of truth here? Is truth floating in the wind? Is the presidency of the LDS church really the only one who hears God speak and invokes law? Of course not. God can be felt and heard in each of our hearts. Jesus can light our paths, we can follow Him, and we don’t have to rely on someone else to say if it pleases them or not.

And #14 is just a plain threat. Where’s the mercy of God? Where’s the grace of the Lord? Reject the prophet and suffer?? You have to be kidding me. The God of the Bible is a God of love, forgiveness, mercy and grace. This is not a direction from our creator.